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DaveR
01-07-2008, 04:09 PM
This is a nice piece from Leestons recommended coaching site...........

Many coaches and players seem to think that it’s some form of legalized cheating to use pimples or at best that that it’s only to win matches cheaply or to cover a weakness. Of course at top-level pimples are rarely used in the men’s game but are quite normal in the women’s game even at the very highest levels. Many coaches unfortunately have little understanding of the real differences between men’s and women’s play and why pimples are a necessary tool in the women’s game. The players themselves however begin to understand when they get a little older.


For example in girls’ 13 classes in Sweden you have hardly any girls playing with material, not because they don’t want to or wouldn’t benefit by using pimples, but solely because their clubs or trainers totally reject this alternative. If however you look at the National Swedish Rankings for girls’ 20 a large number of our girls are by this age using material – from nothing the percentage has leapt to around 50%. Why? Either because the players have come into contact with more enlightened coaching or because as they have become older and more experienced they have also become aware that without material they are not going to reach the higher levels in women’s table tennis. Women begin to understand that there are many more paths to the top level in the women’s game than there are in the men’s. By not allowing our younger girls to explore the various alternatives in the women’s game at an early age we often deny them the opportunity of reaching their full potential.


Take a look at the SOC in Malmö --- at the very best women in the world rankings -- players from Asian countries with material, from Europe and the Americas with pimples. Most countries competing had pimpled players in their teams. A girl from Hongkong only ranked 5 in her country and 46 in the world, reaching the final – pimples. Shouldn’t we perhaps be learning something from this? Many top women play with material for a good reason – quite simply because such rubbers complement the women’s game and tactics. And over the years we have had a considerable number of female world champions playing with pimples. All this makes the total rejection of material by many coaches in Swedish clubs rather ludicrous.


What do we mean by ‘complement the women’s game and tactics’? Just what is the difference between the sexes in the way they play? If we compare top men and women we immediately notice the contrast in power. Quite simply men hit the ball harder. Usually too they give themselves more time and room to use their strength and play from further back and with much more topspin. Women on the other hand play closer to the table and block and counter much more. Even those women who topspin can’t be compared to the men. A strong woman such as Boros just doesn’t hit the ball anywhere near as hard as a small man such as Kreanga.


Power and spin are important in the men’s game, placement and change of and control of speed in the women’s. You rarely if ever see the loop-to-loop rallies of the men’s game in women’s play -- almost always the return is a block, counter or defence stroke. Not only does the ability to loop several balls in a row against topspin require strength that most women don’t have (and in the long term often leads to injury) but also tactically it’s not a prime requirement in women’s play. Because women loop with less spin and power than men their topspin is much easier to control and contain and there are far more good blockers and counter-hitters in the ranks of the women than in those of the men.


Pimples are ideal for changing spin and speed and for returning unpredictable balls to the opponent. They are particularly good for controlling topspin, especially the lesser level of spin and power you get in the women’s game. With pimples you also have the capability of taking the ball very early and denying the opponent time to play their next stroke so this material is in fact ideal for controlling the opponent’s speed and allowing you to be on level terms with much faster players. The higher level of unpredictability in ball behaviour especially after the bounce means that it is very difficult for topspin players (and particularly those with a long stroke) to adapt. They are often committed too early to a certain stroke path and are unable to change this. When you compare Asian loop players they usually have a much shorter stroke and don’t therefore suffer so much against material (also of course they train against all different playing styles and from an early age).


Of course there are so many different pimples on the market that the whole area is now something of a minefield – should you play with short pimples with no friction, a little or much friction or should you play with medium or long? Which would suit your style of play? Don’t despair if you don’t know. Up to a couple of years ago the rubber manufacturers didn’t know either. Generations of Asian women players have used a variety of sponges under the rubber for the last 30 years because they knew something the manufacturers didn’t. That the softness of the sponge is of vital importance in getting maximum effect particularly in the case of short and medium pimples – there’s little point in using 45 or 50, you really want at least a 35 or even a 30. It’s only recently in Sweden that we have started to get the full range of sponge sheets in different thicknesses and hardness and have had access to the same advantages as the Asians (for further information contact Lars Borg at Japsko).


Neubauer of course has done his own exhaustive testing on long pimpled rubbers and the effect of rubber colour and blade weight and speed on return spin. As a result his long pimpled rubbers were originally only manufactured in red because the same rubber in black produces considerably less effect. He has also proved that pimples have most effect when used on a fast and even heavier blade. Of course it is now possible to have double-sided blades, fast on one side and slower on the other to suit the style of the individual player, so having just one fast side is no longer a problem.


From a young age it is vital that girl players learn to cope with all types of playing styles. There is little point in getting up to the level of the National team at 18 – 20 years only for the trainers to discover that you can’t play against defence players or pimples. Your further development is going to be severely restricted. However if you have played with and against material at a young age your long-term development is liable to be much more comprehensive.


And let us remember too that playing with pimples can be a stage in the development of a young player, it doesn’t have to be permanent. Using material can even be a way of refining technique as with many pimples, short and medium for example, you have to play the ball rather than just placing the racket in the way. Quite a number of players turn to pimples in their early teens only to go back to normal rubbers later, but almost always with a much better understanding of how to play against material.

As we said earlier in this article in the women’s game there are many more ways to the top than there are in the men’s. I would appeal to coaches and trainers at club level to understand this and to give their girl players a fair chance of success from the start. You have a big responsibility to do the very best for your players and to put them on the right road for them.

The Chinese have a saying – ‘When a fool sees himself as he is, he is a fool no longer. When the wise man becomes sure of his wisdom, then he is a fool.’ --- If you as a coach have stopped listening, then you are no longer prepared to look at other possibilities. Perhaps it is true to say -- only in absolute certainty is there danger. Certainty is the enemy of progress, we stop thinking and further development is not possible.

Wise words !

From Rowdens corner (http://www.rowdenscorner.num61.com/)

Mrs Nickerbater
01-07-2008, 04:23 PM
Firstly theres a comment in there about LP's returning 'Unpredictable' balls, this is completely wrong - LP's can only return predictable spin and nothing else.

IMHO - if you want to limit your game by playing with LP's then go ahead and do it - but i would still learn ALL the strokes first before choosing such an extreme option.

Personally I find playing most LP players i've come across a doddle, the only weapon you need to beat them is to get decent practice against their style before-hand and understand the limitations they have.

I don't play with LP's but I think they do have a place in the modern game. The sad side of playing them though is that win or lose - the games/rallies are very un-enjoyable for me.

I'm not saying i can beat all LPers B.T.W. but i do believe that a large %age of people who use them don't do enough with them to cause me any problems.

To answer the question though - why use pimples? my answer would be why not? - use whatever floats your boat, but understand the limitations of the equipment you have.

TS
01-07-2008, 04:35 PM
I totally agree with Mrs Nickerbater. To me, using long pimple shows a lack of technique.

DaveR
01-07-2008, 06:19 PM
Firstly theres a comment in there about LP's returning 'Unpredictable' balls, this is completely wrong - LP's can only return predictable spin and nothing else.

IMHO - if you want to limit your game by playing with LP's then go ahead and do it - but i would still learn ALL the strokes first before choosing such an extreme option.

Personally I find playing most LP players i've come across a doddle, the only weapon you need to beat them is to get decent practice against their style before-hand and understand the limitations they have.

I don't play with LP's but I think they do have a place in the modern game. The sad side of playing them though is that win or lose - the games/rallies are very un-enjoyable for me.

I'm not saying i can beat all LPers B.T.W. but i do believe that a large %age of people who use them don't do enough with them to cause me any problems.

To answer the question though - why use pimples? my answer would be why not? - use whatever floats your boat, but understand the limitations of the equipment you have.

Totally agree, the stroke technique is critical and the development of all play is essential. I have said for a long time when you go down the road of using long pimples you will generally restrict your stroke development to the way the shot has to played with LP's, which in the long term will mean stroke weakening ............only my opinion. The Long Pimples tend to be used as a thing to make the weakest stroke less of a target, my opinion would always be to try and work on the stroke initially with a view to making it stronger rather accepting it wont get any better, however age may have a big part to play in the argument.

Tinykin
01-12-2008, 07:06 PM
On the mens side, the big advantage is that it slows the game down. This is more of use to veterans of course.
Note that the writer is actually an Englishman, Rowden Fullen. He has trained several top English and Swedish girls. His current proteges are top 10 juniors, Hannah Hicks and Matt Ware.

SammyBoy
01-12-2008, 07:15 PM
On the mens side, the big advantage is that it slows the game down. This is more of use to veterans of course.
Note that the writer is actually an Englishman, Rowden Fullen. He has trained several top English and Swedish girls. His current proteges are top 10 juniors, Hannah Hicks and Matt Ware.

I noticed that too, being English that is and yes a big advantage is slowing the games pace down although VETTS are becoming younger as the natural progression of more powerful attacking modern Vetts enter the circuit.

Leeston
01-12-2008, 10:04 PM
Hi Peeps,
Re the comment "Firstly theres a comment in there about LP's returning 'Unpredictable' balls, this is completely wrong - LP's can only return predictable spin and nothing else."

I think the comment in the coaching text relates to when the receiver with LP is in a position whereby they cannot interpret the opponents spin hence is unpredicable plus getting caught out with a unpredictlabe shot thereby needing to react.

The LP players nearly always need to feed off the opponents spin / speed. At local league level, I estimate its 80% rubber / 20% abilty split unlike a reverse rubber which is more like 50%-70% rubber / 30%-50% ability.

Also there is a need to appreciate that the LP player generally have not got a clue how the rubber works and how the science works behind it in relation to spin - so they end up just blocking and leave it to the rubber.

Interestingly the LP's were first brought in to re-balance the need for defenders as the new rubbers are so biased towards the attacking players.

SteveJ
01-16-2008, 03:46 PM
Pimples is something attackers often moan about but yes as Leeston has pointed out they are quite predictable with easy reading if you remember your last shot and voila !

Anth Barella
01-16-2008, 03:54 PM
i think using any sort of pimples is an easy way out for SOME people but not all, there are others and a few others who's games suit Pimlpes or any defensive style rubbers espically defenders

Powerhouse
01-24-2008, 10:32 AM
An easy way out is sometimes because the player may have restricted stroke technique or something of that nature so we will always have the need for various pimples and different rubbers to make the sport more interesting, or so i'm told !

HarryBelafonte
01-24-2008, 10:27 PM
Dont think any world singles or olympic or european male champion has everused long pimples...
correct me if im wrong..
which means ....
glue rules.....

Leeston
01-24-2008, 10:30 PM
i think using any sort of pimples is an easy way out for SOME people but not all, there are others and a few others who's games suit Pimlpes or any defensive style rubbers espically defenders

Hi,
You make an interesting observation - traditionally, short pimples are considered a more honest rubber, with no "surprises" compared to the opposite end of the spectrum being frictionless long pimpled rubbers.

Short pimples are now favoured by the counter hitter / blocker, some defenders and those that need it to handle spin. I think its an under estimated rubber and with a little work on style, can create a disturbing impact on the opponent due to the speed and direct flight of the ball.( rather than arcing like reverse rubbers )

TheMoose
01-24-2008, 11:28 PM
Hi,
You make an interesting observation - traditionally, short pimples are considered a more honest rubber, with no "surprises" compared to the opposite end of the spectrum being frictionless long pimpled rubbers.

Short pimples are now favoured by the counter hitter / blocker, some defenders and those that need it to handle spin. I think its an under estimated rubber and with a little work on style, can create a disturbing impact on the opponent due to the speed and direct flight of the ball.( rather than arcing like reverse rubbers )


Short pimples is a more accepted form of "funny rubber" (for want of a better term) the reason being as Leeston has said because it is certainly easier to use and also i believe better to watch rather than the less attractive Hallmark or Neubauer style of rubber which i think most if not anyone will admit is not great Table Tennis viewing for the public.

There are many short pimples players with great attacking styles and loop technique to go with it so maybe traditional is the reason SP's are more accepted.

Would it be safe to say Table Tennis would struggle to continue as a watchable sport if we only had strange rubbers?

Leeston
01-25-2008, 07:40 PM
I think the more friendly perception is also linked to the old Barna bats which were themselves, short pimples / no sponge. The Friendship 802 rubber is worth a try as it does impart spin therefore has less of a shortfall compared to others.

I would suggest trying it on your backhand and learn to hit the back of the ball as soon as the ball is higher than the net with a punch of the ball. Would only take an hour or so to get use to but you would be amazed how many balls you can hit / counter hit and not be impacted by your opponents spin.

I must admint, if I was not so dependant upon my intense spin, this type of rubber would be on my hit list.

Firepower
01-28-2008, 08:05 PM
The Barna short pimples is still widely used in these hard bat tournaments which seem extremely popular, maybe we should just revert back to straight forward Table Tennis and let progression fall back slightly. Would be fun a season hard bats only.