Football?

[Anth Barella]

i know that this is a tt site but did anyone see the tottenham match lol 5-1 stuffing for arsenal like lol:woho:, so chelsea v tottenham at the new wemberly for the first FA cup there in 7/8 years now

[The Windmill]

Anth....was this not the Carling Cup (league cup) ? ...or what ever its called now ?? The Final is on Sun 24th Feb, 15.00 kick off

[DaveR]

Chelsea will win 2-0.......................any bets ?

[Anth Barella]

i know i made a mistake, that was not the fa cup, and i realised as soon as it was posted

[DaveR]

You tell him Anth, we all make mistakes even me.............................ps i still think Chelsea is the best bet.

Unless of course you happen to be a Necastle United fan then................well .......dream on with the new Messiah

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

simple there players really suck, badly.........keegans got one hell of a job sorting this motley crew of spongers out.......villa 4.....nufc 1

[The Windmill]

It won't happen overnight, have faith !!!

[HarryBelafonte]

theirs only 1 kevin keegan,1 kevin keegan oops think he s gone, no he s back ,no no ah yes..still here,,,,

[DaveR]

id just love to win !

[The Windmill]

Ah Ha...you may scoff.....The Makems have been up and down as many times as a whoooors drawers. We will prevail !!!!

[Kev]

I'd love it if the toon got relegated under him. Love it!:bag:

[Blocking Ace]

But who cares? It's not as if we're discussing a game of skill like table tennis.

[Anth Barella]

still these things must be talked about

And get that newcstle got beat 4-1 by villa, and sunderland won 2-0 against wigan i dare say i'll buy the round of drinks in lol

But you'll have to wait a few years because i am only 16 lol

[The Windmill]

still these things must be talked about

And get that newcstle got beat 4-1 by villa, and sunderland won 2-0 against wigan i dare say i'll buy the round of drinks in lol

But you'll have to wait a few years because i am only 16 lol

You are never too young to buy the drinks, start saving your pocket money.......look foward to seeing you soon :soccer:

[Highside]

Will someone explain the term Makem?

Table Tennis code for football maybe?

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

my tip for the top next season is tottenham,cash is waiting to go on them at ladbrokes when the odds get printed.

[Anth Barella]

tottemham ????!!!!! Tottenham will never win the premiership while there is Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool there, and i even think that Sunderland will win the premiership before tottenham will.

I know a lot of people who think berbatov is a good player even a class player but i disagree. i think he isnt a team player and just looking for a club which will give him the most money !!

[DaveR]

your a Cynic !

[Spongebob!]

Will someone explain the term Makem?

Table Tennis code for football maybe?

Highside - there are a number of explanations for this the most credible it appears is its roots with the shipbuilding industry - 'mackem and tackem'

...The ships were built in Sunderland (made them - 'mackem') then up to Newcastle to be fitted out (take them - 'tackum'). Hence the term mackem and tackem. I'm bored now....!!! :happy:

[Spongebob!]

I'd love it if the toon got relegated under him. Love it!:bag:

I would just love it...love it if the Toon could get just one more point before the end of the season...just one...please for the Messiah!!!:thumbsup:

Red and White Army!!!:dance3:

[The Windmill]

I'm not going to bite !!!!!! My unfortunate timing when entering the Hotel in Halifax last weekend (4-1 to Villa on MOTD) has left a scar on me forever. You boys from Sunderland certainly know how to hurt someones feelings. I'm very sensitive you know. I now seem to have a new team to support, they are the Swedish ladies beach volleyball team. They never win either, but who cares !!!! :akiss:

[Spongebob!]

I'm not going to bite !!!!!! My unfortunate timing when entering the Hotel in Halifax last weekend (4-1 to Villa on MOTD) has left a scar on me forever. You boys from Sunderland certainly know how to hurt someones feelings. I'm very sensitive you know. I now seem to have a new team to support, they are the Swedish ladies beach volleyball team. They never win either, but who cares !!!! :akiss:

Brilliant Dale - but you took it in great spirit - well done! I'm only kidding about Newcastle - I would actually 'Love it' if they did get back to playing the same way as they did in the 1st Keegan era - they were excellent to watch. As long as we beat you and finish above you! :dance3:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

sunderland at the minute = pride passion and fight:thumbsup:

newcastle at the minute= gimme the money..........,in a way i wish keegan hadnt come back to nufc as they dont deserve a descent manager at the minute,to me they are a disgrace to the geordie nation.:covereyes:

[Annie]

Not that I know much about footie or care to but wouldn't it be great if the teams were made up of locals? That the sport was played out of pride of the home team? Seems to me the fans are loyal home supporters whatever their clubs standing but the players themselves are just money grabbing Tarts that go where the money is the highest.

There are exceptions to the rule mind. Look at Steve Bull of Wolves. Not that I'm biased but he's the only one I know of who could have signed up with anyone in his prime but chose to stay loyal to his home team. A true sportsman if you ask me.

Why is it everything in our Nation seems to be about money? Where's pride and commitment gone? The word Sport suggests honour i.e. Sportsmanship, a Good Sport, Sporting Chance. But in reality it is increasingly representing financial gain sugar coated by the word Sport!

Even the Olympics to an extent. Why are Countries/Cities fighting to get the Olympics held on their grounds? Money pure and simple! How much of all the funds received are actually put back into the Sports that partake? Yes stadiums are built but how many of them are available to be use freely? It's just another profit making scam hiding behind the must honourable word of Sport!

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

like many other organisations and interests, sport has increasingly become devoured by the money men,they view it as a good investment so they eat it up and spit it out,taking with them the cash and the sports dignity and passion ,not all money men are like this however,some have done good for sport but i can name them on one hand.

most succesfull business men have no conscience therefore if they can see a ££££ sign they ride it for all its worth, sad but true......:popcorn:

[Annie]

Well I'm glad I wasn't talking rubbish. It was your previous post which referred to Pride, Passion and Fight, I just came over all funny! :resent:

[Spongebob!]

sunderland at the minute = pride passion and fight:thumbsup:

newcastle at the minute= gimme the money..........,in a way i wish keegan hadnt come back to nufc as they dont deserve a descent manager at the minute,to me they are a disgrace to the geordie nation.:covereyes:

Keep the faith Thorpey - he was never going to work miracles overnight.

I differ to your opinion in the fact that I'm glad he's back. Why? I hear you ask - well the bottom line is that the supporters were never going to be satisfied unless they got King Kev back or Shearer. In the meantime they've contributed to the sacking of countless managers over the last 5 or 6 years - I mean...poor Bobby Robson - how could they do that - he was such a gentleman and did a terrific job for Newcastle.

King Kev / Shearer? Well...they've got a bit of both now...so once and for all they are going to have to be realistic about the clubs expectations and not expect miracles to happen overnight. They must not look for short term fix's but rather long term stability and incremental growth in their squad and style of play and only then will they have a chance of winning anything.

It is no coincidence that the most successful teams in the Premiership are those who have had long term stability - stood by the manager - this has resulted in plenty of silverware year on year.

As a Sunderland supporter I want to see us win but I equally want to see you do well and play attractive football too - eeeer...well...as long as we finish above you and beat you when we play. Keano...! :laola:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

ive a very cinical view of nufc at the minute,ive been to see safc play a few times and got hooked ,although i love nufc, sunderland is close to my footballing heart also,first time i went to see them as i walked into the ground i could smell the pitch,totally awesome ,memories of my playing days at school.

i see newcastle as a club that has completely lost its way,very sad, from the great days of peter beardsley(obviosey) and the best winger to cross a ball keith gillespie.........to what it is now........a pityfull moneybank for anyone who is half descent to plunder for £60.000+ a week..........sometimes i feel like going to the ground and taking a dump at the gates, as the players are a motley bunch of clowns with thier hands out ...........and the staff give them a paradise lifestyle for nothing.


very cynical i know but it really gets my goat........:taz:

[Spongebob!]

[quote=FantasyCheeseBasin;1851]ive a very cinical view of nufc at the minute,ive been to see safc play a few times and got hooked ,although i love nufc, sunderland is close to my footballing heart also,first time i went to see them as i walked into the ground i could smell the pitch,totally awesome ,memories of my playing days at school.

i see newcastle as a club that has completely lost its way,very sad, from the great days of peter beardsley(obviosey) and the best winger to cross a ball keith gillespie.........to what it is now........a pityfull moneybank for anyone who is half descent to plunder for £60.000+ a week..........sometimes i feel like going to the ground and taking a dump at the gates, as the players are a motley bunch of clowns with thier hands out ...........and the staff give them a paradise lifestyle for nothing.

Sunderland? - Roker Park / Stadium of Light - God's own country!!! I can remember going for the first time with my Dad - brilliant - hairs standing on the back of your neck stuff!

Newcastle? - keep the faith, you'll see - give it 3 months in the new season (I hope I'm wrong like...!)

Dump? - you and another 48,000 Sunderland Supporters!!! :thumbsup:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

Not that I know much about footie or care to but wouldn't it be great if the teams were made up of locals? That the sport was played out of pride of the home team? Seems to me the fans are loyal home supporters whatever their clubs standing but the players themselves are just money grabbing Tarts that go where the money is the highest.

There are exceptions to the rule mind. Look at Steve Bull of Wolves. Not that I'm biased but he's the only one I know of who could have signed up with anyone in his prime but chose to stay loyal to his home team. A true sportsman if you ask me.

Why is it everything in our Nation seems to be about money? Where's pride and commitment gone? The word Sport suggests honour i.e. Sportsmanship, a Good Sport, Sporting Chance. But in reality it is increasingly representing financial gain sugar coated by the word Sport!

Even the Olympics to an extent. Why are Countries/Cities fighting to get the Olympics held on their grounds? Money pure and simple! How much of all the funds received are actually put back into the Sports that partake? Yes stadiums are built but how many of them are available to be use freely? It's just another profit making scam hiding behind the must honourable word of Sport!




agreed in full annie,i once asked malcolm mcdonald if he thought that a passion had left football ,he said "yes it had,and we can do nothing about it". maybe it applies to other sports also,im not sure.maybe the spirituality of sport is leaving, and being replaced by money and the things money brings(whats new i suppose)or is it that im getting older and more cynical.:bag::fcb:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

tottenham to win carling cup 4.3

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

shamefull diving by proffesional footballers........

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[Mr Wilko]

everyone expects newcastle to do something every year as we are a big club with some world class players were as sunderland they expect to be fighting a relegation battle b4 the season has started!!!! ha ha come on the toon the messiah will do the business

[DaveR]

Which messiah is that, ive only seen that guy thats shout id love it just love it love it love it heheheehhe!

[Spongebob!]

everyone expects newcastle to do something every year as we are a big club with some world class players were as sunderland they expect to be fighting a relegation battle b4 the season has started!!!! ha ha come on the toon the messiah will do the business

Easy Wilko!!! At ease!!! Now then...where do I start on the footy front (bearing in minds its a TT site!). I know...this is only good banter and as you know I'm all for that, but....and its a big but (oooo MATRON!) - you have to define what is a big club.

If you're talking about potential and support base etc then I absolutely agree with you. But if you are talking about success and silverware then I don't. These are normally the things that you are judged on - this sets other clubs apart - a club that consistently win titles, silverware etc - bit like Thompson Insurance in that respect!!!

Now then...this is where the 'Toon' have to be realistic - as per my previous e-mails. The club talks about being a big club and hires and fires managers as if it is - always looking for short term solutions and quick fixes. Each manager coming in and promising to deliver silverware and then doesn't and subsequently gets sacked.

Its no coincidence that those clubs which have had a period of stability have generally delivered, i.e., in terms of titles of silverware.

So....the supportors have to get behind their manager as does the Director's and give them time - some of the clubs you are competing with, i.e., the Man U's, Aresenal's, Liverpool etc have done this for years. The 'Toon' have to break into this elite set (albeit again - after the first Keegan era) and be / stay there on merit, genuine competition for the title and silverware - not competition based on potential or that you are a big club.

Therefore...and I'm not having a go here - in order to do well and achieve these things, it requires patience, support and time - this might take 3 - 4 years but only then will you start reaping the benefits.

Turning to Sunderland...in the past we have been guilty of this 'big club' status too and not being realistic about what can be achieved. I think our set up now, backing on the Chairman and the Board, funding, stadium, academy etc together with patience and time will hopefully see the club progressing year on year. It won't happen overnight - no matter what our heritage was / is - you have to earn your status / spurs etc - its not a defined right just because we believe we are a big club.

Anyway....lord....where did all that come from - keep the faith, be patient, give the new manager time (and cash) and he'll 'love it' if he starts winning again.

I'd much rather see Newcastle do well (and Boro for that matter) and playing attractive football and leaving its supportors with smiling faces then not. It's better for the supportors, the region and football lovers in general - but as long as we beat you and finisher higher in the league - ooooooh YES!!!!

Wilko....over and out - KEEP THE FAITH....

Spongemonster :taz:

[Anth Barella]

You havnt 'n' half made a speech there havent you

[Spongebob!]

You havnt 'n' half made a speech there havent you

Just need to keep him on the right tracks Anth - you know it makes sense. Don't worry though....there's actually some compassion there in my e-mail - I don't mind if they do well as long as we are too and we beat them.

In fact, a nice little victory at Sid James park to secure our status in the Premiership will do nicely.

Only kidding....I think its going to be a huge battle for us to survive this season - it might just go to the wire. But I'm convinced with our support, grit, determination and teamwork we'll pull through. Next season will be about pushing on and hopefully seeing finishing higher up the league.

Red n White Army!!! :laola:

[Annie]

Red n White Army!!! :laola:

Isn't that a spotty bum? :resent:

[Spongebob!]

Isn't that a spotty bum? :resent:

Why I otta...!!! :taz:

Nice to hear from you maaaatey - hope you are keeping well..!

Sponge :dance3:

[Annie]

I'm fine Bobby...........just struggling with these ants in me pants! :taz:

[Mr Wilko]

you are totally correct sponge, albeit a speech and a half. I agree with your wisdom but as i am black and white through and through would LOVE IT if one year we could just break into the top 4 and that would end my dream that we are a big club, as you say big clubs win trophies what have we won??

If it went on the support the toon army have we would be champions every year and have nothing to complain about!!!!!

As much as it kills me to say it, i think sunderland will beat newcastle and rub salt into our wounds !!!!!

[Annie]

As much as it kills me to say it, i think sunderland will beat newcastle and rub salt into our wounds !!!!!

O please let that be true! It'll keep one or two on here quiet for a while :pray:

[Spongebob!]

you are totally correct sponge, albeit a speech and a half. I agree with your wisdom but as i am black and white through and through would LOVE IT if one year we could just break into the top 4 and that would end my dream that we are a big club, as you say big clubs win trophies what have we won??

If it went on the support the toon army have we would be champions every year and have nothing to complain about!!!!!

As much as it kills me to say it, i think sunderland will beat newcastle and rub salt into our wounds !!!!!

...It was a speech and a half like!!! :taz:

Top 4? - I think its going to be difficult for anyone to achieve this over the next 2 or 3 years - maybe Spurs have a chance. They'll pulling together a nice little squad, bit by bit in certain positions - especially at the back. Their work rate and team spirit is great and of course they've got flair in key postions too.

Support? - same with Sunderland too - I'm going down to Derby on Saturday (we desperately need 3 points). We've totally sold out our allocation of 3,000 - with 11,000 applications for tickets. A side that has only gained 2 points away from home all season - lying 15th in the league and in a relagation battle - now that's support. Hopefully we can get the win we need, i.e., just to keep a gap between ourselves & the bottom 3.

Keep the Faith... :pray:

[Mr Wilko]

...It was a speech and a half like!!! :taz:

Top 4? - I think its going to be difficult for anyone to achieve this over the next 2 or 3 years - maybe Spurs have a chance. They'll pulling together a nice little squad, bit by bit in certain positions - especially at the back. Their work rate and team spirit is great and of course they've got flair in key postions too.

Support? - same with Sunderland too - I'm going down to Derby on Saturday (we desperately need 3 points). We've totally sold out our allocation of 3,000 - with 11,000 applications for tickets. A side that has only gained 2 points away from home all season - lying 15th in the league and in a relagation battle - now that's support. Hopefully we can get the win we need, i.e., just to keep a gap between ourselves & the bottom 3.

Keep the Faith... :pray:
spurs had been struggling up until half way through season then they turned on the style and what a brilliant result to beat the blues on sunday

[Spongebob!]

Spurs beating the blues - quality - I hate watching Chelsea...they're so boring and yet they've got some excellent players.

Annie - Wolves? - what's happening - they seem to be struggling - do you think you'll make the play offs?

[Annie]

I don't support Wolves I support Leeds United..................Are they still going?

Their white strips are much nicer for the summer than that tacky gold! :thumbsup:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

another loss for nufc v blackburn,newcastle are a weak team,out of 10 for quality players, with man utd at 9.5, which is damn good.newcastle are a dreary 4,....... just. WE NEED GOOD PLAYERS,no good saying we deserved a win or draw, bottom line is we lost,get them out and get the new players in,after all the players know that this is all about business these days, dont ya fellas:bye:, and not particularly football anymore.:bag:
players will go to other clubs make money etc so i wont miss or feel sorry for any of them as they have a good life i reckon.
ANYWAY ...............keegan needs some work tools before he can work the magic.........:pray:
first purchase ..........peter crouch

[Spongebob!]

first purchase ..........peter crouch

I've heard on the grapevine that there a slight possibility that he might sign for Newcastle - personally I just think its just a tall story...!!!

Oh yes Spongey - Come on!!!!!

:woho:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

bored:redcard:

[Spongebob!]

bored:redcard:

It was good reply though you must admit!!!! :woho:- Come on fantasy admit it....its worth a pie....and eeer Time Out and I'll through in Cadbury's Boost too....!!! :dance3:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

with a flat undersSIDE:thtease:

HOORAH...............:thtease:

[The Windmill]

Peter Crouch ? Would not like to see him at Newcastle... our other ex-Liverpool player is useless !

Why not go back to the good old days and have Sir Les and "Daveed" back. We may not win many games but it will be a pleasant treat to see them on the pitch again.

[The Windmill]

Peter Crouch ? Would not like to see him at Newcastle... our other ex-Liverpool player is useless !

Why not go back to the good old days and have Sir Les and "Daveed" back. We may not win many games but it will be a pleasant treat to see them on the pitch again.

Sorry everyone...this is what happens when you turn your back for 2 mins....My wife posted this when I was not looking:taz:

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

didnt know you had a fancy for ginola and ferdinand windy,was wondering why you have been using this icon:static:


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[Mr Wilko]

we need to start looking for new players already and just hope we can stay in the prem. it has been proven that big signings dont always work i mean look at sheva he was 1 of if not the best striker in world at Milan but he cant get a game at Chelsea because the prem is so much tougher than any other league.

Keegan has a good eye for talented players as he proved in his last stint as manager of toon yes he did buy some big players for big money but he also bought players who were not rated and got the best out of them!!!!!

:crying02: :crying02:

BRING ON NEXT SEASON!!!! (if we can manage to stay up) :thumbsup:

[Anth Barella]

i know a few people who are starting to have doubts about Mr. Keano. i mean i like him and i believe he is a world class manager and we are lucky to have him.

Overall i would actually prefer for Newcastle and Sunderland to become "Big Clubs" because i think the rivilary between the clubs is great

[SammyBoy]

i know a few people who are starting to have doubts about Mr. Keano. i mean i like him and i believe he is a world class manager and we are lucky to have him.

Overall i would actually prefer for Newcastle and Sunderland to become "Big Clubs" because i think the rivilary between the clubs is great


Agree with the statement wherby you said Newcastle and Sunderland becoming big clubs as they certainly are not yet, fan base and attendance do not make big clubs, trophys and hounors list do. World class manager, not sure yet, however i do agree the guy has done a great job at Sunderland, if he does retain premier status then success is of the order.

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

newcastle could have god himself managing and they still wouldnt win a game with the squad they have,who the hell bought them and why.......goalkeepers in the team are the only ones worth keeping, the rest need to go play golf with thier millions and leave newcastle.

[Mr Wilko]

newcastle could have god himself managing and they still wouldnt win a game with the squad they have,who the hell bought them and why.......goalkeepers in the team are the only ones worth keeping, the rest need to go play golf with thier millions and leave newcastle.


given games & correct positions Oba Martins,Zoggie & Milner would slot into any team in premiership

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[Mr Wilko]

i know a few people who are starting to have doubts about Mr. Keano. i mean i like him and i believe he is a world class manager and we are lucky to have him.

Overall i would actually prefer for Newcastle and Sunderland to become "Big Clubs" because i think the rivilary between the clubs is great

As for Keane being World class what has he done apart from getting Sunderland promoted from Championship???? Mcarthy did that then got relegated following year then sacked ????


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[Spongebob!]

As for Keane being World class what has he done apart from getting Sunderland promoted from Championship???? Mcarthy did that then got relegated following year then sacked ????


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Aaaah bless him Wilko....give him a chance he's only a youngster (you're right like!!!). Having said that, if we can stay up this year I'll personally think we'll go from strength to strength and he'll start to attract a better calibre of player.

Then you'll see whether he's quality or not - world class? - still some time off yet, time will be the judge of that.

One thing for sure is he will come up trumps eventually (fingers crossed!) and then who knows - off to Man U probablies and then he might be world class.

Spongemonster! :taz:

[Mr Wilko]

hey come on King Kev what a result for the TOON ARMY a well deserved win against a quality team and the only team so far this season to have any silverware!!!!

anyway Sunderland fans had there 15 minutes of glory being above us back to reality now though eh lads we are above you's and the smoggies bring on next season we will see King Kev bringing the title of the ENTERTAINERS back to the TOON.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::rocker::thumbsup::t humbsup::thumbsup:

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[FantasyCheeseBasin]

what the hell is going on at nufc,they have to be the worst team of footballers ive seen play for the reputation of being good premiership class footballers,now they win what is it now 3 in a row,has someone told them they have to actually play for thier wages,or has keegans magic started to take effect,i for one dont really care as long as the wins keep coming and the form keeps improving:dance3::dance3::dance3::dance3:

[Anth Barella]

yeah well their "Good Run" will be totally undone after saturday wen Mr. Keano shows newcastle how football ssould be played!!!, am going for 3-1 sunderland.

Newcastle 1 - Owen (score 1st)
Sunderland 3 - Murphy (1st for Sunderland), Jones (next 2) or Richardson (3rd)

[DaveR]

I hope your optimism is born out !

Me thinks a draw if the usual occurs.

[FantasyCheeseBasin]

could be a thrilling match ,i go for a 3.2 win to newcastle

[Mr Wilko]

yeah well their "Good Run" will be totally undone after saturday wen Mr. Keano shows newcastle how football ssould be played!!!, am going for 3-1 sunderland.

Newcastle 1 - Owen (score 1st)
Sunderland 3 - Murphy (1st for Sunderland), Jones (next 2) or Richardson (3rd)

hey anth you can tell you are still young mind you live in a dream world 3-1 to sunderland?? i will show my ar*e in fenwicks window if that happens!! yeah sunderland are a average team and if newcastle were still under allerdyce i would be worried but with keegans new formation and the team pulling together i strongly believe that the Toon will win, all be it i am looking forward to a good game and the toon moving further up the league with another win. i prodict a win for the toon with owen and martins scoring oh and maybe a goal coming from Viduka :woho::woho::woho:

[Anth Barella]

ii well infact you's deserved it more than we did coz we were awful the 1st half, but if evans and bardsley were nt injured then owen wud'nt hav got his 1st goal!!! mcshane and higgenbotham need shooting lyk!!!!

[Mr Wilko]

owen can take on any defenders never mind 2 mackems!!!!!

chear up Roy Keane oh what can it mean to a................................................. . lol

[JKC]

owen can take on any defenders never mind 2 mackems!!!!!

He can take on most defenders but being 3'5" and only being fit for 2 matches per season has its drawbacks. If you want to watch proper football up there you can always watch Match Of The Day.

[Mr Wilko]

why watch MOD when we can watch football first????

[Anth Barella]

yeh the mach was crap but u's got hammered by chelsea today!!!!!! haha, but to be fair a think any1 wud hav been beat 2day by them coz its so important

[Mr Wilko]

hammered??????? owen should scored at least twice, and to be fair 2-0 is not getting hammered???? oh look you must of got hammered yesterday by erm BOLTON ????? ha ha ha ha ha oh yes and newcastle what a pity