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DaveR
02-08-2008, 04:14 PM
Extreme Table Tennis

Note: Table Tennis Talk are in no way related to or endorses the following design / ideas. However, we do value open discussion and new ideas, and therefore have agreed to serve as a mediator for this proposal. Please comment on this design and invention.


Two American inventors from Michigan have designed a table tennis table-related product. Five interchangeable, yet different ACCESSORY TABLE TOPS have been patented.

The inventors have submitted these new inventions in order to spark a discussion. In short, they want to hear and exchange ideas related to these new table tennis products. Especially table tennis players, coaches, organizers, equipment manufacturers and retailers are invited to comment on this concept.

Would you like to try playing on these new tops?
Which top design looks the most exciting?
Do you agree with the inventors' argued benefits of the new design?
Do you see additional benefits, or disadvantages to this new design?

Technical Stuff:
Referring to the drawings, each accessory top has the same length and width dimensions, the width being equal to a standard table tennis table and the length being equal to half of a standard table tennis table. The accessory tops are placed in the center of the table, covering the centre two quarters of the table. As shown in all of the drawings, a typical table tennis table includes a planar table top 11 having an upwardly facing playing surface 12. The table top 11 is supported by six ground-engaging legs 13. A vertical net 14 extends transversely across the center of the table top 11 and is supported above the playing surface 12. Fig. 3 shows the DOUBLE PONG TOP third embodiment table tennis table 30 according to the present invention having a double pong accessory top 35 which is a combination of the flat top 15 and angled top 25. The double pong top 35 starts out from an edge 37 at the first playing surface 12 and angles upwardly defining a first portion 36a of a second playing surface.

At an apex 39, the top 35 extends in a horizontal plane to define a second portion 36b of the second playing surface parallel to the first playing surface 12. The double pong top 35 features the two horizontal playing surfaces 36b just as the flat top 15, but also adds the additional angled playing surfaces 36a as the angled top 25. As with the flat top 15, the net 14 is supported by posts 38.

This design of the accessory top 35 provides a higher degree of difficulty in the sport of table tennis. Tri pong is even more difficult and challenging than double pong in that there is the concave section 46c in the centre of the top 45, creating a void in the second playing surface which is neither easy to hit into nor hit out of. The parabolic (curved) surface 56 gives a completely different play to the game of table tennis than any of the described accessory tops. The ball will deflect off the curved top with a unique trajectory as compared to the horizontal and angled playing surfaces.


The Story Behind the Design:
Two American inventors from Mt. Pleasant, MI have designed a table tennis table-related product that is simply a pure and exciting "extension" of the game of table tennis. Five interchangeable, yet different ACCESSORY TABLE TOPS have been patented. Placed on top of any existing table tennis table, each top offers a unique challenge to the player. Every shot, every angle, bounce, cut, lob or slam will be different, and yet, the same. You’ll still play regulation rules with X-TOPS. We didn’t change the dimensions of the standard table and we’re not
changing the game either. We’re just "extending" the game of table tennis. A few years ago, Ken (61) was watching "Forrest Gump", for the umpteenth time; and after the table tennis scene, he immediately started to conceive the idea. His first thoughts were about how bumper pool evolved from a standard pool table. But Ken did not want to disturb the size, shape etc., of the standard table... like bumper pool did. He also noticed that speed and slam were integral and dominant factors and strived to balance the two with finesse and strategy. So he contacted Jared (29) a local design engineer (and his best friends son), and the old teamed up with the young and they created the five (5) accessory tops. We had gained perspective from the 40’s-50’s and the current rage of the present marketplace. Now we do have speed and slam combined with finesse and strategy.

Note: There is also patent coverage on a video game format with our accessory tops. See website www.addictinggames.com (http://www.addictinggames.com), the table tennis game, and imagine our accessory tops being utilized. In our efforts to bring this exciting product to market, we have encountered various obstacles along the way... namely conservative manufacturers and buyers. We realize that things don’t happen over night, etc., just ask Lonnie Johnson, inventor of The Super Soaker. But, all it took was one manufacturer to "see the forest through the trees" with Lonnie and his
invention!

Why is this product needed? We felt the need for this product stems directly from the fact that there has not been any major or even one significant change to the industry/game in many years! The advantages from playing on our accessory tops lends simply to the fact that is raises the degree of difficulty in playing. So now everybody can play combining speed and slam with finesse and strategy! What impact will it have on the industry? We sincerely hope it re-lights a fire within every table tennis player in the world; and we also hope it lights that same fire within non-players too! Again, with our accessory tops, we view them simply in
terms of "extending" the game of table tennis!!

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Some of the designed tables.......

HarryBelafonte
02-08-2008, 09:45 PM
is it april first..?????

Spongebob!
02-08-2008, 11:03 PM
Is the Grand National...!!! ...and its chewing gum sticking to the rail...!!!

Spongebob! :snigger:

DaveR
02-08-2008, 11:29 PM
Well the above views seem to re-enforce the problems any new designer with ionovative ideas may face, which is probably the reason Table Tennis is laying in a very closed and quiet cupboard with the door only slightly open and the coverage limited at best............................oh for some creative thoughts

Spongebob!
02-09-2008, 12:06 AM
Well if they come up with some good ideas you've got a chance but I think me and you could come up with something better than that!!

Does the sport need a new table? - I don't think it would have any impact whatsoever - our tables are spot on I think. Its like making a tennis court in the shape of a diamond just for the sake of it - why?

Having said all of the above I did like the Hexapong table though!!!

Yours sincerely Mr. H PA Critical...!!!:thumbsup:

FantasyCheeseBasin
02-09-2008, 02:02 AM
:popcorn:hexapong table is a good idea but they forgot to drill holes in it and put pockets on like a snooker table,you hit the pocket and get xtra 5 points,(might be able to beat harrybelafonte for once in my entire life):popcorn:

Guy
02-11-2008, 04:29 AM
Looking through the topics posted I just happened upon this posting.:whistling:
Sbob
I had seen the add-ons as described at the beginning of the thread before back in July I believe, and was not impressed not even in the least possible way. Because of my position as the inventor of Hexapong I have been keeping my eyes and ears open for other related matters. Which leads me to inform you about “Tripong” that had a write up back in February of 2007, “Table Tennis Triples” that I found out about in November 2007 in which the inventor / author Gunter Arndt was inspired enough to write a 163 page book and makes reference to Mr. Adham Sharara, President of the ITTF giving Gunter and his invention good reviews. And just at the end of January of this year I found out about Polypong. All games mentioned can be found on the internet by simply doing a Google Search. I’ll let it you all curious people to makeup their own mind about my competition.

FCB
Well as silly or crazy as it my seem the lines on the Hexapong table do have a purpose.
In my Complete Rule for Play, It states that there are to methods of play. One method is for Competitive Play. Because you and other serious tt players can hit the ball at high rates of speed, it just makes it easier to keep the game serious. The Second method is for the Recreational player, in which a rally will start with either a 1 point serve or a 2 point serve and has the potential to end a rally with as much as 4 points. In both methods of play the service area is used to begin a rally.
I guess depending on your ball control you could beat harrybelafonte. http://www.tabletennistalk.co.uk/forum/images/icons/happy.gif
See website for Complete Rules of Play if you are so inclined to do so.

SammyBoy
02-11-2008, 09:49 AM
The Hexapong seems a lot more fun, which is the best way to describe the table. When you start to go down the route of trying to be close or the same as Table Tennis thats when you may get opposition towards the Hexapong. Fun is the key word and yes it certainly seems to have that in abundance.

Guy
02-11-2008, 04:29 PM
Not ever playing the other games mentioned, I can't say that hexapong is any better then the others. But I can say that it is a lot more versatile then the others with the 8 fifferent games to choose from.
If you have not read any of the post on the topic Hexapong I do say that the only things in common to the SPORT of Table Tennis and the GAME of Hexapong is the use of Paddles and a ball.
In closing I do have to admit that every one that has gotten on the table has walked away with a smile on their face.

HarryBelafonte
02-11-2008, 06:56 PM
doubt it mate....:popcorn:although i first started playing on the dining table with a plastic net with a hoop around it which you had to hit the ball through,only about a foot wide ,great fun, thats why im probably loopy....

Guy
02-11-2008, 07:47 PM
OK, Harry
I don't understand the comment "doubt it mate". Are you saying wouldn't have fun or you wouldn't smile.
One question for you. If you were to see it some where and had a change to play, would you play or walk away? keep in mind the only things in common to the SPORT of Table Tennis and the GAME of Hexapong is the use of Paddles and a ball.

HarryBelafonte
02-11-2008, 07:56 PM
replying to fantasy boy... would give it a go of course,played loads of fun games, tt cricket,killer,against a table,v a robot,against a wall,played shots of the taps in me ma s old kitchen, played 400 kids in agame of killer at me old school,get it down to birtley mate and we ll give it a bash...:wink2:

FantasyCheeseBasin
02-12-2008, 02:40 AM
guy he actually means "A BASH" lose a massive game at deauce in the fifth for a pint ,and the table may suffer......kidding of course:thtease::thtease:

JKC
02-12-2008, 02:46 PM
Personally I like TT the way it is. I can't see people wanting to splash out lots of money for what amounts to a novelty table.

As for Hexapong, when you are as unpopular as I am it is hard enough trying to find one person to practice with.

Powerhouse
02-12-2008, 02:53 PM
Hey JKC you cant be that unpopular!

You seem to have some knowledge there, especially in the blade section so i think you may be jesting !

JKC
02-12-2008, 04:48 PM
An alternative way of looking at it might be that I have no friends and plenty of time to find out useless info from the net.

You decide.

Guy
02-13-2008, 01:29 AM
OK guys
I'm collecting data.
I propose that I can send you info to construct a table. Also that I will contact the people from another forum for players that would be willing to play.
Since I do not know the locations of which cities are involved this may not be feasible.

So far the names that said that they would give Hexapong a go are:
Harrybelafonte
Spoogebob
FantasyCheeseBasin
DaveR
MickM
and if you get Annie out from the crowd that is 6 players on one table.
And as backups (if they are interested) JKC & Powerhouse

All I request is that I can receive confirmation from the individuals.
Others are welcome to join in on the fun. Just remember this is the GAME of Hexapong NOT the SPORT of Table Tennis.

DaveR
02-13-2008, 01:31 AM
Im in agreement................great idea and will participate.

DaveR
02-13-2008, 01:35 AM
An alternative way of looking at it might be that I have no friends and plenty of time to find out useless info from the net.

You decide.

Daft sod..............who built the forum !

me

One could easily say (as a few may already do so) im the daft bugger with no life, well there we go i as most on here do, do so because they hopefully feel something for the sport as im assuming you do.

Table Tennis as with most sports of ....dare i say .........a minor image.......is in need of a major push and promotion which characters such as you and indeed any members who participate in its well being should remember.

ps thanks for all the support

FantasyCheeseBasin
02-18-2008, 01:24 AM
here here ,waves a white paper like they do in parliament,or is it the bookies,one of the two anyway

Goldie
02-22-2008, 10:07 PM
doubt it mate....:popcorn:although i first started playing on the dining table with a plastic net with a hoop around it which you had to hit the ball through,only about a foot wide ,great fun, thats why im probably loopy....
Come on Harry! I didn't think you had dining tables up your end. But I agree you are loopy, but not very spinny.

DaveR
02-23-2008, 01:45 PM
Come on Harry! I didn't think you had dining tables up your end. But I agree you are loopy, but not very spinny.

Spinny on rare moments but loopy on even less !:woho:

Spongebob!
02-23-2008, 04:24 PM
Come on Harry! I didn't think you had dining tables up your end. But I agree you are loopy, but not very spinny.

The way he moves about he probably has!!!!:snigger:

Spongey!

Roger
02-24-2008, 04:11 PM
:thumbsup:New tops yes. New tops because players could get use to playing on different speed tops in the same way tennis players play on different surfaces and therefore it would increase the players ability.

New shapes as part of coaching to increase players reflexes and so on... I would see that as part of coaching. It could even make the game more fun to learn...

Roger

Firepower
02-24-2008, 04:59 PM
I suppose anything is good if it makes the mundane training more fun, as goes the reflexes we all could probably dom more in the reflex training department its something again in this country we are behind in once again.

But we are doing ok in China in Guangzhou

Guy
02-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Roger
I don’t know your position on the matter of Hexapong, but I think that the shape and versatility of Hexapong can offer some benefits and fun to players. And I can tell you with some amount of certainty that the games of Xtreme Singles and Cutthroat Singles can find faults in any player when playing against their equal.
On a personal note. I found it a little disturbing once when a coach told me that you have to move too much to keep the ball in play. Correct me if I’m wrong, but to become good in anything you do don’t you have to overcome diversities.

Firepower
If you were to play Cutthroat – Singles and/or Doubles you may be surprised how much you have to concentrate so that you can react to the situation (reflex).

SteveJ
02-26-2008, 02:33 PM
The whole concept is one that intregues me as ive not played or had fun on anything like that before, but yes fun is the order of the day.

Guy
02-26-2008, 06:16 PM
Well then if the table were available would you give it a go?

Is there any particular game that intrigues you more then the other?

Your options are as follows
Xtreme Singles
Xtreme Doubles
Cutthroat Singles
Cutthroat Doubles
Team of Three or
Hexapong Tennis

Mind you this is just a game that the only thing in common with Table Tennis is the bats and ball.

As a twist you also have the options of two methods of play. the Recreational Method were players try to hit point areas or the Competitive Method were players just play for one point per rally. All games except Hexapong Tennis are played to First to 25 and all games you are required to use the service area to start a rally.

Now, did i scar you away or are you still intrigued?:confused03:

Guy
03-05-2008, 04:25 AM
looking for SteveJ

Just wondering if you had any questions about my last post and the different games.

FantasyCheeseBasin
03-05-2008, 05:14 PM
drop the name cutthroat in your game as i think it throws out an aggresive and negative image...,just a thought,i could be wrong i have been on many occasions,so another wont matter i suppose.:fcb:

Mr Wilko
03-05-2008, 08:42 PM
doubt it mate....:popcorn:although i first started playing on the dining table with a plastic net with a hoop around it which you had to hit the ball through,only about a foot wide ,great fun, thats why im probably loopy....


and still trying to get the ball through that bloody hoop!!!! ha ha

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Guy
03-06-2008, 12:01 AM
drop the name cutthroat in your game as i think it throws out an aggresive and negative image...,just a thought,i could be wrong i have been on many occasions,so another wont matter i suppose.:fcb:

I understand where you're coming from. I tried thinking of names for the different games that were simple and short. Since the term cutthroat is used in pool, I thought what better way to describe a game that you never know when your allie becomes your enemy.

I certainly hope that you agree that a game called Menage a trois or menajatwa is one that is truly inappropriate and gives off a image that does not belong. :yellowcard:
OOPS....Sorry, just trying to be funny :grin:


Seriously, maybe you and others can suggest some more appropriate names:dontknow:

Mr Wilko
So what are your thoughts about Hexapong and is it something you would play just for fun?