ITTF & Banned Rubbers

[TheMoose]

As many will already realise many players and coaches alike are complaining about the poor decision by the ITTF on the banning of previously approved rubbers as from July. The whole decision seems to have been taken without any prior consultation with players or anyone else.

The ITTF have little thought for players and should or could do a lot better if they remembered a little fact, their existance would cease were it not for the players, so try and consult them before making silly decisions.

Just my opinion, any views welcome.

[Annie]

I think it goes without saying, where changes are planned that effect a number of people then at least some consultation should take place.

I'm very suprised that an organisation as world wide as the ITTF didn't consider prior consultations with it's members was necessary!

:redcard:

[Roger]

I agree I think we should organise a petition online to stop the ITTF to over rule us. It's counter productive. Then we send it to the authorities. They look like more a government that a sport organisation to me!!!

Where can we find that list?

[MickM]

I can obtain the list, i will send to Dave very shortly.

[Mr Wilko]

they should ban all pimple rubbers just like they are banning glue, why give players an advantage and take this away from others???????

[Roger]

Pimples may be an advantage for some players, but they are not that many playing with pimples at national and international level. Soon or later pimples players get overpowered...

[Roger]

What about the petition???

[Mr Wilko]

pimples give players who have a weakness in there game an advantage as that is what is playing the stroke/ putting spin on the ball!!!!

BAN THEM ALL !!!!!!

[Firepower]

pimples give players who have a weakness in there game an advantage as that is what is playing the stroke/ putting spin on the ball!!!!

BAN THEM ALL !!!!!!

Rediculous nothing wrong with rubber variation, but the ITTF should be fair and not ban previously approved so i do agree with Roger on this issue. You must be seen to be fair and constructive with every issue being for the good of the sport, sadly this doesnt seem to happen.

[Moggy]

pimples give players who have a weakness in there game an advantage as that is what is playing the stroke/ putting spin on the ball!!!!
BAN THEM ALL !!!!!!

At least pimpled rubbers give you a chance to hit the ball back (or for you to make the mistake :resent:). Super fast rubbers allow players to just smack the ball past you - no skill in that, apart from making sure the ball hits the table.

[Roger]

Rubbers variation makes you think more. If we all had the same bats and rubbers i think the game would be dull. What I like in Table Tennis is that you have to adapt every time. No one game is the same. That's what make tt difficult and sometimes very frustrating. But it also means that you have to improve all the time. these aspects make the game even more interesting... it's a bit like if you were playing tennis one minute you are on grass the next you are on clay to finish off on hard surface!!!

[Mr Wilko]

i take it moggy and firepower dont use glue its always the ones who dont that have a dig at it??????

i dont mind playing pimples the majority of people i played as a junior in local league used them,i was just stating a fact, why ban glue but not pimples ????

:taz: :taz: :rocker:

[HarryBelafonte]

:yellowcard:the glue has been banned on health grounds and moralistic, not speed ittf dont think you should have 10 year olds using dangerous chemicals...or any one for that matter,,,:fcb:

[Roger]

I agree, but let's face it manufacturers are going to find new ways of having speed glue effect. I believe some type of long pimples are going to bebanned...

[Mr Wilko]

Roger i hope you are right!!!!!

[Craig]

I agree, but let's face it manufacturers are going to find new ways of having speed glue effect. I believe some type of long pimples are going to bebanned...

Yes, the frictionless ones go later this year. I already have two teammates desparately looking for an alternative while I'll just stick to my Radical and Sriver.

Craig

[DaveR]

:yellowcard:the glue has been banned on health grounds and moralistic, not speed ittf dont think you should have 10 year olds using dangerous chemicals...or any one for that matter,,,:fcb:

I think maybe the health is slightly over the top given the fact the ITTF are banning all glues regardless of their VC content, which makes one think why not come clean and say as you see ........ban the whole lot the level paying field would then emerge but the manufactures may feel a little let down by the ITTF. That said they also have as we know banned previously approved rubbers so one would start to think the ITTF sometimes doesnt give a hoot about some issues surrounding the sport.

[Mr Wilko]

plus they have already banned glue many years ago for health reasons and come up with these new glue's which were meant to be un harmful........ now all of a sudden these glue's are bad for your health how long will it be till the water based glue's are harmful and they get banned?????

[HarryBelafonte]

I think the reason the glue was pulled quickley was that a japanese junior had a bad reaction when gluing and nearly died,thus forcing the ittf to act swiftly...:covereyes:

[Mr Wilko]

I think the reason the glue was pulled quickley was that a japanese junior had a bad reaction when gluing and nearly died,thus forcing the ittf to act swiftly...:covereyes:


had he been in touch with DaveR for his glue???

[The Windmill]

This is a daft question. I am thinking that if you cannot use glue, how will the rubbers stay on the blade ??????

[Robstar]

i have played with pimples 4 30 years and yes i agree it helps the lower skilled player
i recall players playing with Curl special they didn't have a clue and their opponents didnot have a clue also many top vetts have played with rubbers i know have been tampered with and many top seniors and juniors have played with illegal glue

1 ridiculous rule was when the rubber went 2 2 colours many good Barna bat players
2 brown rubbers actually packed in TT this rule will see players also retire
but it about time they look to change the service rule as the amount of deliberate foul serves at tournaments is ridiculous
an x enland no 1 once told me if the umpire doesnot call it its not a foul
in groups early rounds etc league matches how many players are pulled up 4 foul serving ? Our sport has 2 many grey areas thats the reason it will never b more than a 2nd class sport Robstar

[HarryBelafonte]

how way robstar,how many other sports have the same type of cheats,I played local league tennis,where we called our own decisions,line calls,the same happened here,some people ,we know who they are always called a close call in their favour,im afraid cheats are cheats no matter what the sport, that does nt make the sport crap....:covereyes:

nobody cheats as much as proffesional footballers,and these people get 130,000 pound a week....:thumbsup:
im afraid we all know players who try it on,,,,,and standard does not come in to it some of the biggest cheats are the best players...

[Mr Wilko]

i have never cheated to win a game of tt and never will i remember as a junior loosing in final by calling a edge that no one saw????

afterwards i felt better knowing that i had done the right thing even though i had lost!!!!

[Annie]

i have never cheated to win a game of tt and never will i remember as a junior loosing in final by calling a edge that no one saw????

afterwards i felt better knowing that i had done the right thing even though i had lost!!!!

Mr Wilko I applaud you :clap: you are a fine example of honesty and integrity and it's a shame more people aren't like you in life.

[Mr Wilko]

its only right Annie, if i had not said i would of won but only by cheating my self!!!!!

[Annie]

its only right Annie, if i had not said i would of won but only by cheating my self!!!!!

Well said again! :clap:

[Mr Wilko]

its the way forward Annie!!!!

i beat him fair and square in the next tournament (semi)which made it feel even better as i went on to win in final!!!!!

:dance3::dance3::dance3:

[HarryBelafonte]

Yes,but the point was not about cheating,our sport was called 2nd class,
I disagree,at the highest level our players like golf ,always are very honest and honourable,and the sport in asia compares to our football,with the top players being feted as superstars...
It depends on where you live,basketball in this country is a 2nd class sport but elsewhere its massive..you have to take in the whole picture,overall tt is massive..:happy:

[NativeNewYorker]

Table Tennis is a massive sport as Harry has stated but the bigger picture as you say is sometimes not looked at worldwide, with many sports being second class in many different areas. The way forward is to push and promote the Table Tennis in any area you can, wether youre in a local club or in a country on holiday it amounts to the same really. Never push it into second class status, which lots of players do at lots of different levels.

[Belisar]

I think maybe the health is slightly over the top given the fact the ITTF are banning all glues regardless of their VC content,

Is this right ?

The ITTF has withdrawn approval for a lot of glues (maybe even most) but not all.

Are not water based glues still allowable ?

[Belisar]

Pimples may be an advantage for some players, but they are not that many playing with pimples at national and international level.

Check the womens game at international level. You may be surprised.

[DaveR]

Ive looked at some of the international women and yes there are quite a few so maybe we are heading for a new beginning with glue and pimples being reinstated as the new force once again !

[Robstar]

Harry golf tennis football as u know r ist class sports and u can;t compare TT to them I have witnessed many a pro/am at snooker and never have witnessed any bending of the rules also darts ten pin bowling there are devices to stop u bending the rules my point is there r 2 many grey areas in TT I cant imagine a darts snooker or ten pin bowler in local league not abiding by the rules and getting away with it if u mention foul serves in the Northumberland league u r an outcast

[Mr Wilko]

it makes me laugh Robstar as some of the vetts in the Northumberland league actually play in national tournaments............ they foul serve in the league so what do they do at national tournament?????

[Roger]

Harry golf tennis football as u know r ist class sports and u can;t compare TT to them I have witnessed many a pro/am at snooker and never have witnessed any bending of the rules also darts ten pin bowling there are devices to stop u bending the rules my point is there r 2 many grey areas in TT I cant imagine a darts snooker or ten pin bowler in local league not abiding by the rules and getting away with it if u mention foul serves in the Northumberland league u r an outcast


Too me Table Tennis is a world class sport. I know in football there is a lot of cheating going on. In cycling etc... It's easier to diguise a serve in table tennis than in tennis for example. There are also lots more variety of serves in table tennis as well than in any other racket sports. As a conscequence it's more difficult to deal with. However, it does not mean we should foul serve.

I cna't see how you can disguise a throw in darts or a shot in snooker. In those two games disguise and cheating is not possible to win points.

I believe TT can bring the best and the worst in people...

If we have something to say we should speak out...

[MK Chris]

I cna't see how you can disguise a throw in darts or a shot in snooker. In those two games disguise and cheating is not possible to win points.
To be fair, I don't think you'd need to. Your darts opponent doesn't have to deal with your throw, so he wouldn't care whether you try to disguise the throw or not, so long as he gets down to 0 before you do.. same goes for snooker, while your opponent is on the table, there's nothing you can do, so you don't really need to do too much disguising.

[HarryBelafonte]

:taz:You said table tennis was a second class sport,I disagree,maybe there are a few grey areas,no more than tennis or football,how can you compare 10 pin bowlin and darts to our sport. darts is massive in this country but worldwide No!


football,the offside rule is a joke,abuse of refs a joke,players cheating ,conning each other..
tennis players constantly question line calls,go off for toilet breaks,feign injury,break rackets even hit themselves over the head.

Maybe we should introduce a head high service rule,or shoulder high,this would stop the ball being thrown back, or immediately of the hand.
what are the other grey areas?:pleasantry:

[Mr Wilko]

FCB's shorts are a bit of a grey area!!!!!

[Robstar]

well they were once when watching a final in Dundee I think it was spud week

[Roger]

I have just received an email from Adham Sharara and this is what he says:

There is no need for confusion. There are two issues to consider:
1. Glue
Any material used to affix the rubber to the blade must be VOC free. In fact we test the racket at events and the racket must be VOC free.

2. Friction levels
The ITTF established a friction parameter. Rubbers that do not meet this standard are not approved. Only the rubbers appearing on the ITTF approved list can be used in competition.

Adham

I can understand what behind all this. You need to read the reasons WHY they are doing it. We may not agree with everything but at least they have good reasons... One of which is to try to make our sport more atractive...

Any thoughts ....

[Robstar]

regarding pimples there are still a lot of rubbers being advertised in catologues that are illegal for tournament play next season there is no reference in these catologues about this Steve hall has indicted the date his rubbers will not be approved from which in my opinion the rest should follow I know u will b allowed in the local league 4 1 year maybe with these rubbers but players should be made aware Robstar

[DaveR]

The new list of latest Authorised Coverings as up until 31st March is on the attatched PDF FILE.......... http://www.tabletennistalk.co.uk/forum/table/pdf.gif (http://www.tabletennistalk.co.uk/forum/table/banned_rubber.pdf)

Click it to view whole document.

[Annie]

Excellent! That's certainly given us an idea of where abouts we are on this subject.

We will eagerly await the latest up-date once it's released but for now that's much clearer. :thumbsup:

[DaveR]

These will not be allowed .................

Manufacturer and make:

999........................889 (Globe Juic etc)

Andro.....................Clou, Krypto

Dawei.....................388B

Donic......................Alligator, Alligator Soft, Piraja FD

Double Power...........4080

Dr Neubauer.............Boomerang, Inferno, Monster, Roulette, Scalpel, Super Block, The Wall,

Friendship................RITC 7991, 755 Faster

Giant Dragon............8228

Hallmark..................Friction Special, Super Special, Super Special Extra

Joerex....................5312, 6050

Joola.....................Fakir, Razor

Meteor..................575, 71-1, 71-2 845, 8512, 9012,

Milkyway...............Pluto, Uranus

Proma...................Diabolic

Socko...................STR-GEE

Tibhar...................Grass Devil

Toni Hold...............Virus 2

TSP......................Bamboo Curl P1, Curl Cactus, Curl Combi

TT Master.............R Flex, Swing Back, Swing Back Special

Yaping.................138

[Annie]

Proma...................Diabolic



If this one's so diabolical I'm not suprised it's been dropped! :resent:

[Robstar]

thanks 4 that its a pity people selling the rubber couldn;t do the same!