Help Me Choose New rubber

[The Windmill]

I currently use Yasaka MK V 30 degrees with Stiga Energy speed glue. When glue is banned I am looking for suggestions ? I can either continue with the same rubber and no glue or change to something else. Any suggestions ? I have a relativly fast blade (Unknown) which I inherited.

[TS]

A good alternative would be Butterfly Bryce Speed FX or the new Butterfly Tenergy05 which comes out in May.

TENERGY 05

High Performance for a Topspin Attacking Strategy

"Spring Sponge" is the latest innovation from BUTTERFLY. It is the sponge of the coming era. The well-known High Tension technology of BUTTERFLY is now combined with "Spring Sponge" to produce a new rubber family: TENERGY.

TENERGY 05 is the first family member; the special feature being in the original shape of the pimples. The product carries our development code No. 05 and merges High Tension technology with the characteristics of a highly grippy rubber.

TENERGY 05 has already been evaluated by a large number of leading players, as well as by scientific measurement, as the best rubber for spinning the ball, both when serving and during a rally.

Do you look for a high quality rubber for your topspin and attack strategy? Then TENERGY 05 is the right answer.

[TS]

More Info


TENERGY 05
Realize your `MOREs’
TENERGY is a revolutionary reversed rubber with built-in power, created by a new sponge called Spring Sponge, which is combined with the unique High Tension technology, developed by BUTTERFLY, provides a totally new sensation when striking the ball.
Holding the Ball, the Principal Feature
Spring Sponge is a totally new sponge created by BUTTERFLY, being very different to existing rubbers.
The most notable feature is a sense of being able to hold the ball on the racket; this has been made possible by the innovative composition of the material used, which produces a spring loaded effect when contact is made with the ball. The result is that a player can control spin, speed and direction as required; the sponge will make you feel you are in total control.
Tenergy Red, the Symbol of Dedication
It has taken ten years to develop Spring Sponge into a marketable product. Compared with existing table tennis rubbers, Spring Sponge contracts differently and it was very difficult to produce a product that was consistently of high standard.
Furthermore, the difference in quality between the trial production and mass production required repeated experiments.
The opening of the BUTTERFLY TECHNICAL CENTRE, where detailed research in all stages of product development is available, enabled Spring Sponge with its unique red colour to be produced. The colour of the sponge, Tenergy Red, symbolizes the latest technology from BUTTERFLY and is dedication to the advancement of table tennis.
Exclusive Energy-Built-in Technology
High Tension rubbers, developed by the unique technological advancement designed by BUTTERFLY, are excellent in quality; they are hard wearing as well as being most effective for hitting a table tennis ball.
The basic principle is that the more tension is applied to the rubber, the more often the surface tears; the surface can be damaged and thus becomes unusable.
However, this is not the case with the High Tension rubbers produced by BUTTERFLY. They have both high performance quality and the stronger surface that will not be easily damaged through intense rallies.
Energy-Built-In technology is the secret of their popularity and puts the product ahead of any competitors.
Developers
Since BRYCE was released in 1997, High Tension rubbers have been used by many players who have secured major titles both inside and outside Japan; this includes Olympic and World titles.
High Tension rubbers have a great deal of support from many top players who are delighted with the exquisite high performance and high quality that make the product different from other rubbers in the Tension Series category. The High Tension rubbers have certainly made their mark in the history of table tennis equipment.
The development of High Tension rubbers is still in progress and through the use of current technology BRYCE SPEED and TENERGY have been created, enabling players to succeed at the very highest level as our company strives to make table tennis an attractive and clean sport.
Realize Your Dream of ‘MOREs’
Which MORE do you expect?
Do you want to play with more speed?
Do you want to impart more spin on the ball?
Do you want to control your play with more ease?
Do you want to have more fun playing table tennis?
Do you want to improve more?
TENERGY gives you such MOREs.
TENERGY: Excellent for Imparting Spin on the Ball
TENERGY series reversed rubbers are produced by combining the new generation Spring Sponge with the High Tension technology. The name of TENERGY 05 arose from the development code No. 05 that was found to be the most effective for imparting spin on a ball in a series of mechanical trials and tests carried out by players.
The rubber enables a player to impart a great deal of spin on a ball when serving and when executing topspin strokes. TENERGY 05 is a combination of a High Tension rubber and a surface of very high grip. The rubber enables high performance play based mainly on a wide variety of spins.

Spring Sponge
A new dimension: You feel as if the rubber holds a ball
“Spring Sponge” is the latest innovation from BUTTERFLY; you have the feeling that the rubber grips the ball and holds it on the racket longer. It is a sensation that is totally different from other rubbers. A new dimension has been realised, the product being a result of a unique mix of raw materials plus originality in the form and size of the air bubbles.

The Research & Development Department of BUTTERFLY has spent ten years involved in detailed research to produce “Spring Sponge”; a major stride in achieving the goal being made possible when the BUTTERFLY Technical Centre was opened in April 2006. Advanced research was made possible and enabled difficulties to be overcome; the effect was the successful production of “Spring Sponge”. Coloured red and thus named “Tenergy Red”, the new technology utilised by BUTTERFLY, underlines the company’s desire to lead the table tennis world.

[DaveR]

Great information and thats why we have Mr TS here !

Equipment expert !

Any questions in this area ask him.

[Belisar]

\what do the likes of Drinkhall and Knight use - anyone know ?

Do they still speed glue for adult events or are they into any of the alternates ?

[TS]

At the european junior top 10 in sheffield, Paul and darius both used Sriver High Tune combined with optimizer. After that, i cant speak for darius but Paul is using Sriver L with speed glue untill the end of July as there is no more junior events he has to play in, only senior events.

[Loopy]

Is Glue deffinitely being banned, i mean completely from SEP

[SammyBoy]

Seems its a long story Loopy with that many different answers we may have to wait untill the ITTF actually give the correct information out. All the signs seem to point to a complete ban on any speed glue / toners.

[Moggy]

I'm not sure how many members of TTTalk actually play ETTA Tournaments, if you don't it seems you don't even have to worry about the rubbers being ITTF approved to play in local Leagues - maybe the same applies to glue (although for health reasons it's probably best to avoid VC glue).

I found this from a FAQ accredited to a ETTA source....

Q In a League match must I use one of the ITTF-authorised racket coverings?
A No, unless the League has specifically adopted such a regulation. Otherwise, the only requirement is that the covering conforms with the Laws in respect of material, thickness, colour, etc.

[TheMoose]

I'm not sure how many members of TTTalk actually play ETTA Tournaments, if you don't it seems you don't even have to worry about the rubbers being ITTF approved to play in local Leagues - maybe the same applies to glue (although for health reasons it's probably best to avoid VC glue).

I found this from a FAQ accredited to a ETTA source....

Q In a League match must I use one of the ITTF-authorised racket coverings?
A No, unless the League has specifically adopted such a regulation. Otherwise, the only requirement is that the covering conforms with the Laws in respect of material, thickness, colour, etc.

This is exactly where the problems arise with abiguity showing its ugly head, which is the ITTF not being clear about policy and rules. We should all be singing from the same hymm sheet, which will inevitably result in some ethics being applied by players at a localk level which if i recall Belisar mentioned innother thread when relating to development or glue.

[Belisar]

As I understand it different leagues can have different rules - to some extent.

Some rules are fixed and must apply such as, playing up to 11, rubber coatings etc.

Some rules are not fixed so there is choice for the league. One that I think it still true is that in ITTF matches a player cannot change a bat part way through a game unless his/her orginal bat is damaged. In ETTA matches a player can change their bat after every point if they so desire. In local leagues the choice of either is fine, so long as the league makes it clear.

In truth most leagues have a list of basic rules and a comment that says something about adopting ETTA practises unless otherwise specified. Thus if a rubber coating gets banned by the ITTF and the ETTA follow suit the local league would probably have to "opt out" by specifically allowing it. But it does all depend on how the rule book is put together.

As far as managing it all then it comes down to trust and player responsibility. I remember when some of the long pimples were banned a player in my local league simply scratched the name of his rubber off so no one could tell what he was using. A lot of local league players do not keep up with some of the technical changes so they can either use a rubber in ignorance or play against one without knowing.

When it comes down to some of the equipment changes such as speed glue and rubbers then it is almost impossible for the local leagues to manage and control. It also runs the potential for arguments amongst teams if one side accuses the other.

We can only hope the equipment manufacturers stop selling the banned stuff quickly so it at least reduces the 'shelf life' of the equipment already in use. That however may have a cost issue for them if they are holding stocks of the equipment as and when it becomes banned.

Who said it was an easy game then :covereyes:

[Moggy]

To quote the ETTA FAQ again:

Q Can I change my racket during a game in a League match?

A The restriction on changing a racket during a match applies only to competitions held under the ITTF Regulations for International Competitions, such as open tournaments and, in England, British League and County Championships matches. It does not apply to local Leagues unless the League has made a specific decision to adopt this regulation and has published it in the League's rules. If these rules do not say that it is forbidden, a racket can be changed during or between the games of a match, but the umpire and the opponent must be allowed to inspect the new racket before it is used.


I had to look at this, this week, as the issue cropped up during a league match. We will be adding to our rules during the close season as to what players are allowed to do...

The actual ETTA & ITTF rules are:

ETTA Rules
2.4.8 At the start of a match and whenever he changes his racket during a match a player shall show his opponent and the umpire the racket he is about to use and shall allow them to examine it.

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ITTF Regulations for International Competitions

3.5.2.5 If a player changes his racket during an individual match when it has not been damaged, the umpire shall suspend play and report to the referee.

[Loopy]

I agree with Belisar the whole issue will eventually come down to trust and some goodwill, which sometimes in our league (West) is not always prevelant. I have to say the amount of variations in rules tend make one giddy when trying to be legal when it comes down to any glues or toners.

[Belisar]

We will be adding to our rules during the close season as to what players are allowed to do...


My local league decided to prevent players changing their bat unless it was damaged. We had an incident where someone supposedly changed their bat every single point and the bats were quite different. It caused a bit of a fuss so most of the clubs agreed to a rule change at an AGM.

Interesting this here is that you could play the same player in my two closest local leagues and he/she could change their bat on one league and not in the other.

Apologies for going somewhat off of the original topic.

[DaveR]

Off topic but nevertheless i agree with the point your making, as it could easily happen when you get certain players exploiting any avenue open to them for any reason possible.

[Moggy]

Back on topic.......Help Me Choose New rubber

Perhaps it won't matter which rubber you choose if your league allows you to change your bat .... just buy several different ones and a number of bats:covereyes:

Seriously, I expect we'll limit the number of times you can change - just in case someone tries to be clever.

[Mr Wilko]

TS must be on commision from Tees Sport!!!! only Kidding TS some good info there might be contacting you my self in near future

[The Windmill]

TS must be on commision from Tees Sport!!!! only Kidding TS some good info there might be contacting you my self in near future

I must admit, it looks as if its only Butterfly is manufacturing rubber for the post glue era. Is that the case or is there anything else out there ?

[Mr Wilko]

yeah there will be other rubbers available for the non glue sport, but as i am a butterfly sponsored player i would not know what they are!!!!

[Annie]

yeah there will be other rubbers available for the non glue sport, but as i am a butterfly sponsored player i would not know what they are!!!!

Very eloquently put! :coverlaugh:

[TS]

Good answer Mr Wilko!

[Mr Wilko]

cheers TS you will have to show Alan these!!!!! lol

[Blocking Ace]

Of course Butterfly are not the only company producing new rubbers.

Andro has announced 'Roxon'
Stiga -- 'Boost TC' & 'Boost TP'
Donic - two versions of 'Platin'

No doubt Joola will be announcing its alternatives shortly.

One only has to look at the respective websites for news. Not sure when they are all commercially available. You might not have to wait until new catalogues in august though.

Question: What is the penalty for purchasing some Butterfly Tenergy, but not using TeesSport? Will the rubber be deemed illegal at tournaments if one has not retained a TeesSport receipt.

Apparently, the use of Donic equipment will be outlawed at the upcoming Durham tournament in May. I'm not sure if the offending players will be fined, banned, or put against the wall and flogged. Perhaps all three.

Ooh - awkward.

[St wilk58]

try joola energy green xtra max very spinny and quick sounds glued
alot of new water based speed glues on sale try to get some feedback
on users of this

[DaveR]

I havnt used it but i would think some members will have tried.

[Belisar]

I found the Joola Green (the glue impregnated) rubbers went off quite quickly, although they did play well. So they are ok if you have some kind of deal.

The Stiga Aqua glue was not great to apply or to use.

Not used the others so any feedback would be interesting.

[TheMoose]

I have used the Joola Green and agree the rubber went off very quickly indeed, saying that i suppose from September this will be irrelevant?