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DaveR
06-21-2008, 08:44 AM
The article below is one of a few which highlights some inherent reasons we as a Country (UK) are winning very little if nothing at all in certain / most sports including football.


It is a busy time for the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown. Yesterday the report he commissioned on climate change was published and last week he made a major foray into the world of sport. In an article headlined 'My fight to get Britain fit for the Olympics', he told of his own good fortune to have attended primary and secondary schools that had sport at the heart of their ethos. He wrote of how lucky he had been to play for his school rugby team when he was just 15, how he ran in the Scottish schoolboy championships and how it was at school that he had learnt to swim.
He then stated: "We need to restore school sport to its proper place … today, many schools offer children two hours sport a week. I want every school to do so and I want the hours to rise to at least four hours by 2010. This means that every child would do sport on most days. I want every school to offer after-school sport and links with a range of local sports clubs."
Ironically the Chancellor's views were published the day after the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee in the House of Commons heard worrying evidence that the cost of the 2012 Olympic Games was likely to spiral. The Central Council for Physical Recreation representatives stated their doubts over what lasting legacy there would be from the Olympics for the grassroots of sport and most importantly for participation levels. So far, £2.375 billion has been earmarked for construction and another £1 billion for regeneration around Stratford in east London.
David Higgins, the Chief Executive of the Olympic Development Authority, refused when giving evidence to MPs to state categorically that the project could be delivered within budget. This is hardly surprising. No Olympic project has ever managed to be delivered at its original cost and London will be no different.
But how the Government finds the extra money is the question that those involved within sport will want answering. This is where the Chancellor's role is so vital. He must ensure that the extra funding is not taken away directly or indirectly from sport. There must be no more raiding of the general sports lottery fund.
One immediate decision he could make would be to remove the tax on the Olympic scratch-card lottery. The lottery game is supposed to deliver £750 million toward the overall costs of the Games but so far just £60 million has been raised. A tax exemption would guarantee another £340 million goes into the pot, rather than Gordon's pocket.
Every penny taken from the sports lottery for the Olympics means less for sport in general and therefore less chance of hitting the Chancellor's targets for participation and more competitive sport for young people.

Two hours a week for the average child in most schools is laughable to the point of sadness, with many kids becoming overweight and completely out of condition. The many words that are spoken by our "leaders" of this green and pleasant land seem to be as important as tears to a crocodile.

Believe me the funding and money is available but needs to be channelled into the correct direction if we are to move forward into the sporting arena alongside other Countries such as Sweden and Germany plus many smaller nations also.

Table Tennis just happens to be one of the sports that has the same problems as many other with "grass roots" funding tending to be aimed at the "tip" of the triangle rather than the lower / introductory level of the sport which leads to younger players and eventually greater "middle" range players, with the logical conclusion being leagues having more players and so on...............all very simplistic i here you say but all very achievable i say if the work is thoroughly carried out and looked at under a microscope. Sadly we have high level and a low level but nothing it seems intermediate anymore meaning local leagues who depend on the players who are "bread and butter" people .......meaning these support leagues and not just "cream" from them which sadly some players do.

The logical conclusion to all of this is to get the boat sailing and stop talking without action following. We need to get sport in this Country on the move or sadly we will become a little nation without any sport plus an overweight over eating younger society.

Annie
06-21-2008, 09:59 AM
The article below is one of a few which highlights some inherent reasons we as a Country (UK) are winning very little if nothing at all in certain / most sports including football.

Two hours a week for the average child in most schools is laughable to the point of sadness, with many kids becoming overweight and completely out of condition. The many words that are spoken by our "leaders" of this green and pleasant land seem to be as important as tears to a crocodile.

Believe me the funding and money is available but needs to be channelled into the correct direction if we are to move forward into the sporting arena alongside other Countries such as Sweden and Germany plus many smaller nations also.

Table Tennis just happens to be one of the sports that has the same problems as many other with "grass roots" funding tending to be aimed at the "tip" of the triangle rather than the lower / introductory level of the sport which leads to younger players and eventually greater "middle" range players, with the logical conclusion being leagues having more players and so on...............all very simplistic i here you say but all very achievable i say if the work is thoroughly carried out and looked at under a microscope. Sadly we have high level and a low level but nothing it seems intermediate anymore meaning local leagues who depend on the players who are "bread and butter" people .......meaning these support leagues and not just "cream" from them which sadly some players do.

The logical conclusion to all of this is to get the boat sailing and stop talking without action following. We need to get sport in this Country on the move or sadly we will become a little nation without any sport plus an overweight over eating younger society.

Well said Dave :clap:

Belisar
06-21-2008, 10:54 AM
So much pressure on schools now.

A couple of days ago the Government produced a list of what they called failing schools. This was based purely on those who had the lowest number of A-C passes at GCSE level. This type of league table is now the main driver for schools in terms of effort and results.

Sport plays second fiddle to academic subjects. Sport is relegated to after school clubs but by the time you add in academic extension classes and homework, pupils have a reduced level of free time in which to participate let alone try to excel.

Funding is not easy to get for sport. Even in London where 2012 should mean there is some. That which is available is numbers driven, value for money is measured by volume, so quality is not an issue.

Too many exams, too much focus on academic league tables, too many meaningless qualifications, stats supercede everything and not enough balance.

SammyBoy
06-21-2008, 01:19 PM
I agree with all of the above sentiments plus a few other ones in the mixer.

The United Kingdom has an awful habit of trying it's best to be good at all sports rather than be good at a select few, whether Table Tennis is one of tham would be a seperate issue. We dabble rather than specifically targetting.

This was proved by the Badminton set who could not recieve funding as there success was poor on the world stage so they chose to select the Doubles format to be successful in and yes they won the doubles then were given massive funding. All quite clever.

Acedemics is very important to kids as all of us realise but sport must be also be important to make sure fitness is catered for. Computors do not make you fit as so many kids are finding after playing games for years these days.

HarryBelafonte
06-22-2008, 09:25 PM
We are im afraid a mickey mouse nation when it comes to sport which is a shame because we are a sport mad nation.

Annie
06-22-2008, 11:06 PM
We are im afraid a mickey mouse nation when it comes to sport which is a shame because we are a sport mad nation.

Speak for yourself Harry! I'm just mad :thtease:

Spinmaster
06-24-2008, 12:26 PM
We are im afraid a mickey mouse nation when it comes to sport which is a shame because we are a sport mad nation.

We as a nation try to be good at everything and in that process fail to be more adequate at most.

Grass roots funding is a major problem within just about every sport in the UK with most bodies trying their best to grab as much funding as possible, unfortunately the Table Tennis funding like many others is targetted high or at the top end which as has been mentioned is stupid at best. The process needs to be low "grass roots level" to bring the new influx of players into the sport or any sport.

Mousy
06-25-2008, 12:19 PM
We as a nation try to be good at everything and in that process fail to be more adequate at most.

Grass roots funding is a major problem within just about every sport in the UK with most bodies trying their best to grab as much funding as possible, unfortunately the Table Tennis funding like many others is targetted high or at the top end which as has been mentioned is stupid at best. The process needs to be low "grass roots level" to bring the new influx of players into the sport or any sport.


Completely agree you only have to look at tennis, as with most sports they are elitist and the lower or less afluant cant enter the sport. Sadly when they do some of are stars such as venice twins from the Bronx.

We are missing out on some good talent because some just cannot affors to be part of the sports system in the UK, step foward Gordon Brown and make the set up more level with better opportunities for the less fortunate.

HarryBelafonte
06-25-2008, 06:40 PM
yea,always fancied the 3 day eventing at the badminton horse trials,but they would nt accept dobbin the cart horse and £4.28 entry fee. Was told the entry fee was 10,000 pound and a bowl of caviar.....
maybe next year...:dance3:

Pengy
06-26-2008, 08:07 PM
penman smith and wilky sign for birtley, goddy has spent about 48mil on the 3 stars

HarryBelafonte
06-26-2008, 08:40 PM
:happy:Aye,that ll be on slow play fines for wilki,abuse and larking mularky from penman and court fees in trying to get edward to pay his league fees....

wait till robstar finds out weve signed the marx brothers,he ll probably swallow his false teeth...:fcb::woho:

HarryBelafonte
06-26-2008, 08:55 PM
:rocker::taz::resent:our 3 new signings which is which

Mr Wilko
06-26-2008, 09:00 PM
:rocker:wilki = £28 million (thompson has wiped fee as he already has to much money and is saving this in wages with sale of smith)

:taz:penman = £8 million (going towards nappies for new baby)

:resent:smith (just found out its his round!!!!!!!) £10 Million oh sorry that has gone straight to the CSA

Annie
06-26-2008, 09:04 PM
:rocker:wilki = £28 million (thompson has wiped fee as he already has to much money and is saving this in wages with sale of smith)

:taz:penman = £8 million (going towards nappies for new baby)

:resent:smith (just found out its his round!!!!!!!) £10 Million oh sorry that has gone straight to the CSA

I hope you realise you may be held accountable for those remarks? :resent:

Mr Wilko
06-26-2008, 09:09 PM
thats fine by me Annie i dont mind we are all team mates now!!!!!

NativeNewYorker
06-27-2008, 02:49 PM
I will endeavour to bring this back to the grass roots for a minute.

The issues revolving around the funding are less important than the destination of the money involved and by this i mean there is quite a lot of funding given to various sources of Table Tennis organisations with many of them either :

A ............ Not spending it wisely due to lack of relevant thought into the area it's best needed.
B............. Directing the money into the middle or higher development section, which in the long run will NOT promote anything other than short term higher level players being involved in various tournements and competitions with the real lower introductory level / beginner not being tapped into via schools / primary and the likes.

When the real issues are tackled then maybe we will move the sport into larger numbers such as France and other Nations that are earning more money and following that more success whch the UK have not and will not until this is rectified accordingly.

Back on the thread i think now.