VOC free glue substitute.

[JKC]

Don't waste your money on TT VOC free glues. Try this.

http://images.ryman.co.uk/images/medium/0421510201.jpg
applied with this
http://www.recyclethis.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/sponge250.jpg
for pretty much the same effect at a fraction of the price. Don't use the brush as the layer is too thick and streaky.

It's solvent free too and forms a layer on the back of your rubber similar to a few layers of speed glue which can be easily peeled. Well worth a try.

[DaveR]

You being serious JKC ?

[JKC]

Absolutely. Get yourself some, from personal experience it is much better than the TT glues I have tried or seen others using and struggling with.

[Annie]

applied with this
http://www.recyclethis.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/sponge250.jpg


You being serious JKC ?

True! I can't see many men handling one of these lethal weapons either! :resent:

[JKC]

I had seen them in the cupboard before, I must ask the wife what they are really used for.
They do a good job at putting a thin layer of copydex onto your bat and the rubber though which is almost impossible with the brush provided.

[Annie]

Well JKC just be careful it doesn't bite you, it's a dangerous tool!

[NativeNewYorker]

Im going to try it, this has been said on a few occasions and is not picked up by the "sniffer"

[JKC]

It has been said by me on a number of other forums in the past, but using the sponge to apply it is the new part which makes the final finish as good (and better in some cases) as other glues. I must get my application off to 'Dragons Den'.

[DaveR]

Very interesting and i assume the "sniffer" being the tester will not recognise this as it is VOC's that are tested ?

[JKC]

I haven't tried a bat made up with it on the Enez machine, but it does say 'solvent free' on the bottle and it becomes pretty much odourless when dry. If you air it well before applying your rubbers there shouldn't be a problem anyway.

[Werewolf]

One problem is it is still illegal as the rules now state that you cant alter the performance of the rubber in any way.
Law 2.04.07 - The covering material should be used as it has been authorised by the ITTF without any physical, chemical or other treatment, changing or modifying playing properties, friction, outlook, colour, structure, surface, etc.
Well, so what, you might say? That little sentence above is the rule that will remove speed glue (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/speedglue.htm), boosters (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/booster.htm) and goodness knows what else from our sport in one fell swoop. Here's why:
Speed Glue - speed glue will no longer be legal due to the changes it makes to the sponge (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/sponge.htm) of the covering material, as well as the stretching and tensioning affect it has on the topsheet (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/topsheet.htm). So say goodbye to speed glue.
Seems that people are unaware of this:redcard::taz:

[JKC]

It doesn't alter the performance in any way, it purely sticks the rubber to the bat, giving no effect at all. It is just a glue, it has no speed glue properties or expanding effect, making it legal (subject to Enez). If you are looking for something to speed up your rubber then you need to look elsewhere.

The only similarity to speed glue is in the way the glue can be removed from the sponge by pulling or rolling it off (though it leaves less craters than speed glue when rolling). It is just much cheaper than the water based TT glues on the market and does the same job.

I'm sure the TT companies would like us to think that there aren't alternatives to their glues so they can charge what they like for them but I wont be buying any of their stuff until the prices come down.

[Mr Wilko]

the prices will never come down JKC :redcard::redcard: think i will try this one out

DaveR does PANG get picked up by the SNIFER???

[JKC]

Make sure you give it time to dry before you stick it or I don't think it ever dries. Like the new TT glues it goes clear when dry and then you are OK to attach your rubbers. It takes 5-10 mins to dry with a thin layer but is quicker in a warm room or if you waft it with your bat.

[DaveR]

the prices will never come down JKC :redcard::redcard: think i will try this one out

DaveR does PANG get picked up by the SNIFER???

Pang dont exist anymore unforunately !

Even in tyre repair the use of VOC's are banned, health and safety ......been like that for at least 9 year i think but not totally sure. The old tyre glue went awol years and years ago. Strange how some companies have glue listed in magazines although this maybe correct at times of print i suppose.

[Werewolf]

sorry JKC I thought you meant it would speed up the rubber, if not then would be fine

[Tinykin]

One problem is it is still illegal as the rules now state that you cant alter the performance of the rubber in any way.
Law 2.04.07 - The covering material should be used as it has been authorised by the ITTF without any physical, chemical or other treatment, changing or modifying playing properties, friction, outlook, colour, structure, surface, etc.
Well, so what, you might say? That little sentence above is the rule that will remove speed glue (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/speedglue.htm), boosters (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/booster.htm) and goodness knows what else from our sport in one fell swoop. Here's why:
Speed Glue - speed glue will no longer be legal due to the changes it makes to the sponge (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/sponge.htm) of the covering material, as well as the stretching and tensioning affect it has on the topsheet (http://tabletennis.about.com/od/glossary/g/topsheet.htm). So say goodbye to speed glue.
Seems that people are unaware of this:redcard::taz:
The ITTF approves only the rubber not the sponge.
Have you considered the fact that as the sponge changes the properties of the rubber, then the sponge itself is also illegal?

[JKC]

Very true, but I don't fancy playing hardbat.

[Mr Wilko]

i have heard people are starting to experiment with different things to make there bats quicker, one of which is seperating the rubber from the sponge applying something (not sure what glue) the the rubber then putting them back together and hey presto !!!!!!!! :pleasantry::pleasantry::pleasantry:

[JKC]

I think the fact that not all boosters are made and controlled by TT companies, means that they are here to stay. The ITTF can't really put pressure on Berenger to stop as they don't make much TT stuff and the revenue from illegal boosters is likely to be much more than the odd bit of glue which the ITTF could possibly ban. I suspect TT companies will want a slice of the boosters market and will put pressure in the ITTF to do a u-turn.

[Mr Wilko]

JKC i am getting up in 5 hours just to play British League this weekend??? What am i doing??? ha ha ha ha :thtease::thtease::thtease:

[JKC]

I am probably playing number 1 so we will be playing each other.

[TS]

Let us know on here the result between Wilko and JKC.

[JKC]

Maybe Mr Wilko would like to fill you in, but he thinks I should get a lottery ticket:woho:.

Don't you just love games where everything you hit goes on (and a few that you miss-hit too:snigger:)

[Mr Wilko]

is that what you call it JKC miss hit?????? he he he

well played (anyway bet you are a millionaire after that much luck yopur lottery ticket is bound to of come up trumps!!!!) he he he :resent::resent::resent:

[JKC]

I seem to recall I finished the game with a powerful attempted topspin drive from 8-10 feet behind the table which caught the edge of my bat and went pretty quick with almost no spin. As soon as it left my bat, I though 'that's going to be quite nasty to return' and it proved to be. I think your bat must've accidentally slipped out of your hand just afterwards.

I think I would have probably bottled it without the luck to be honest.

Anyway, I don't want to be accused of living on former glories. You will get a chance to beat me next time if our number 1 and 2 players are 'too busy' again.